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It would increase the credibility of the theory, if it could be shown that there was evidence that the proposed system was then employed to consruct later pyramids at Giza.

As a result of Saladin’s sons partial demolition of Menkaure’s pyramid, can evidence of internal ramps be seen?

Hi Tim,
Thank you for your comments and questions. Evidence of the internal ramp in Khafre and Menkaure’s pyramids would certainly bolster Jean-Pierre’s theory. I know that his research is on-going, and not just with Khufu’s pyramid, but I am not sure of how much I can comment on at this point. Please understand that this is not to be “dodgy”, but sometimes people share information with me that has not yet been made public in order to help me further understand what has been made public in order to explain it better for my readers. The Supreme Council of Antiquities has very strict rules about how information is shared, and if it does not go through the proper channels, the concession to work in Egypt can be revoked. This has happened in the past.
I will pass your questions on to Jean-Pierre, who is very good about answering people’s questions to the best of his ability. Check back over the next couple of days and I am willing to bet you will have some answers.
Thanks again,
-K

Hi Tim,
To answer to your first comment:
You can be sure that I’ve studied Khufu’s pyramid deeply and the other big pyramids and the small ones too, and that I also have evidence regarding what I put forward regarding their construction processes.
The large smooth pyramids of the 4th Dynasty were built “INSIDE-OUT”, which means that the materials had to be delivered inside the perimeter of the pyramid and that the facing was done first, layer after layer.
As they were very high, they were built thanks to 2 processes:
- In the basic concept, a large exterior ramp (first process) up to one third of the height (2/3 of the volume) and a small internal ramp (second process), starting from the base, for the last two thirds in height (but only 1/3 of the volume).
- In reality, thanks to a better use of the external ramp, which could continue its rise in a trench in the body of the pyramids, this first process allowed to go up to near half the height for around 80% of the volume done, leaving only the upper half of the height and around 20% of the volume to be made thanks to the internal ramp, the second process. Moreover, this internal ramp starting from the base allowed the Egyptians to re-use the material from the external ramp to build the upper part of the pyramid…NO WASTE…Every stone extracted from the quarries was used for the construction; it’s why no remains of a ramp were found on the Giza Plateau.
The internal ramps are structurally strong enough and there was no need to fill these ramps with masonry or sand. So, they are still there…same as new…
The pyramids having an internal ramp in their body are: Bent and Red in Dahshur, Khufu and Khafre in Giza and most certainly the one in Meïdum. and that’s all…
The small smooth pyramids were also built “INSIDE-OUT”. These smaller pyramids (around 60m high and less) built after Khafre’s pyramid and during the 5th and 6th Dynasty were built thanks to a…CONSTRUCTION GAP…
Dr Dieter Arnold, the famous egyptologist, who is now at the head of the Egyptian Department at The Metropolitan Museum in New York, who has worked in Egypt since the late 80’s, wrote a remarkable book: “Building in Egypt” Pharaonic stone masonry. Page 180 and 181, there are 2 pictures of the pyramids of Sahura and Neferefra in Abusir showing these “construction gaps”. Dr Arnold doesn’t say too much about it, missing this point…But they prove that the Egyptians were INSIDE the body to built these pyramids.
At the end, the construction gap was filled with the same materials as the body…limestone blocks…
To answer to your second comment:
Menkaure’s pyramid is not a large smooth-sided pyramid (1/10th of Khufu’s pyramid volume), so this pyramid was not built with an internal ramp, there was no need.
At last, I give you my feeling about which pyramid has the best architectural and engineering design ever done…
As much Khufu’s pyramid is a marvel of everything, this one is a little too “complex”…which led to an end to large smooth pyramids…
So, for me, the “finest, leanest, purest,simpliest” pyramid is the…Red…
You will understand WHY one day…
All the best
Jean-Pierre Houdin

Dear Sir, maybe I have not read all the information therefore this question. Dragging the stones up the internal ramp means the sleigh will have to go down again to drag up the next stone for I assume the ramp was too narrow for up and down traffic at the same time. Do you imagine it this way or is there another. Thank you so much I do so enjoy this development of information. Gideon.

Hi Gideon,
Thank you so much for reading and participating! You are correct, the internal ramp was too narrow to allow the empty returning sleds to bypass the upcoming laden ones. Originally Jean-Pierre had theorized that there was a wooden external ramp that allowed the empty sleds passage back down. Since this outer structure was added after the casing stones were in place, it would not have interfered with the building process the way a winding external ramp would have during the actual building process itself.
But ongoing work and new discoveries have convinced Jean-Pierre that the internal ramp was actually a bi-level deal, with the returning sleds coming down via the “upstairs” as laden sleds were being pulled up via the “downstairs”.
I hope the picture above helps demonstrate, although the chaps upstairs seem to have forgotten their sled!
-K

I couldn’t sleep, so instead of sheep, I counted stones flowing from quarry to the Nile and into the pyramid!
Question this time is for Jean Pierre and concerns the stones themselves.
Jean Pierre has previously described how each stone was given a number and position at the quarry as to where it should go once it arrived at the port. I’m sure some needed attention - mistakes are made cutting angles or perhaps even in size, ect.
What I’ve not read about yet, and am hoping to (wink wink) is what happened to those stones that didn’t make it to the Giza site? Surely some would have been lost as boats sank. Could there be a trail of these “lost stones”, each with it’s quarry marks and numbers on the bottom of the Nile, or if the Nile has moved since then, buried in the sands?
And what would they have done to correct these lost stones? Would it not mess up the continuity of the numbering system? Or, were the numbers on the back of the stones more indicitive of where the stones were to go upon landing at the Giza complex … to be there given more precise detail as to placement?
Oh so worried about those lost stones! And the boats that hauled them. Wouldn’t that be a find … a boat sunk into the sands or Nile, still with it’s stone(s) intact!
Looking forward to more details and am positive I’ll get them. This site simply rules for complete and open, intelligent and rational, meaningful discussions! LOVE IT!

After reading and thinking about the Sphinx and the new work from Jean Pierre, I revisited this section … and as usual … questions.
Why were there so many little quarries instead of one BIG one? Was it the quality of rock?

I find Jean-Pierre’s ideas brilliant, however, what confuses me about the internal ramp idea is how did they get the top of the pyramid on? Obviously an internal ramp can only go up so far, then what? At what level does the internal ramp stop and what happens after that to finish the top of the pyramid? Thanks in advance for any ideas. Lorri. x

Can you describe how the top of the pyramid is finished using the internal ramp theory. It’s the only bit i just don’t understand. Thank you!

Wowza!
The 8m wide “constructed” section in Kafre’s subterranean corridor,…
It’s amazing how several centuries of visitors have not looked at this and wondered, “WHY?”.
Nor cottoned onto the fact that the overly wide base of the funereal causeway pointed right at it!
Yet again another brilliant insight by JPH!
Just goes to show how powerful “consensus thinking” is at stifling free inquiry!
One a side topic, I do have a couple of questions regarding the internal ramp.
1) I’d be curious whether the internal ramp is indeed still open as often suggested by JPH. Considering that hundred’s of thousands of blocks had already been hauled up this ramp, would it be too much to suspect that the builders might haul up one last batch of them to back-fill the tunnel. Now admittedly, before “Khufu Reborn” the ramp led nowhere interesting so the effort might seem excessive. However, now that there’s a proposed “escape tunnel” from the noble circuit to the internal ramp, I think that leaving a ground level internal ramp leading straight to a path to the crown jewels would be extreme folly!
2) As regards the new idea of a second internal ramp for returning sleds and bearers,…
I assume JP has some devastating technical clues pointing this way, but it seems a little excessive! Surely the empty sleds could easily be lowered down the side of the pyramid on ropes pretty quickly and the single ramp could be made wide enough of returning bearers to pass oncoming traffic?
Just wonderin’!
Thanks for yet another exciting and convincingly integrated thread to the GP story!

Hi! Counterweghts works well if we have weigth in the both ends.
But how they could laid down one end without weight (stones) to get the another beam when the counterweigth in the “Grand Galery” is at the bottom dead center (B.D.C.) ?

Hi Marcus,
🙂 I am not entirely sure I uderstand your question. As best as I can make it out, you are asking how the beam could me manipulated once teh counterweight would be at its full down-hill extension. From my understanding, the counterweight would get the blocks up the incline, then once on the flat surface of that level of the pyramid (keep in mind the bottom third of the pyramid in terms of height is still 2/3 of the pyramid in terms of mass - they woould hav a large flat surface for logictics, and since the would not have to deal with terrain, they could possibly pulled down the northern end.
I hop this answers you question, or offers possibilities, but I get the feeling you are asking somethin more complicated that that, so we might have to go back and forth a bit.
Thank you for reading and contributing.

Hello! Yes, I think it needs at least a hundred men to lift the trolley inside the grand gallery until the TDC (top dead center) without a 60 tons beam attached at the other end point. If this is possible, ok the question is answered. But another question occured to me. How much it weights the loaded trolley to lift a 60 tons beam ? I think less than 60 tons, but how much ? Maybe the Dassault Systemes has the answer.
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